I had a very blessed night this evening visiting a Bible service
at the Girl Guide Hall here in Helensburgh. It was lovely to hear some good
lyrical traditional hymns and hearing the KJV Bible being taught from D.
Fletcher and R. Hughes.

I haven’t a clue where the folk are from, there was about 20-30 and
was made welcome by Dorothy and Ruth. I am looking forward to next week, I am
getting that hunger again feel God really spoke to me tonight. I have felt very
flat since my mother died nearly 12 weeks ago now, I miss her deeply but I know
she would tell me to get out of this rut and pray for that refreshing spark
from the Holy Spirit.

Proverbs 6:6-11, with an amazing lesson from Ants. Also different passages
in Luke were taught tonight.

 

2 Comments

  1. Anonymous

    Hi all, the last few weeks in our town in Helensburgh, I saw advertised “Bible Service” meetings at the breaholm Hotel place. I phoned Breaholm to find out about the meetings but they didn’t know, but gave me a contact number and I phoned a few times but no answer, but they phoned back after a while.
    I went along to the meeting but when I arrived up in the car park. Then rumblings of my discernment cap came on, I was thinking its great this is a new church plant happening, but I saw cars coming people well dressed got out but the gut in my stomach said this is wrong, I was thinking they are JW’s or Mormons then thinking could be brethren but they would be carrying Bibles. So I decided not to go in and drove off.
    Last week I saw another advert from them advertising at the Guide Hall and thought I need to go, then couple of days after a leaflet came through my door with an invitation to go along and I thought this is a sign I must go. So I ran out my house to find the leaflet person and ran down my street and asked are you the person that I spoke to on the phone and she said yes. So I asked are you of the Mormon or JW cult, she said no and I thought great. I asked what Bible do you use? She said KJV and inside me went YES!! I said fantastic so do we! And said I’ll be along on Sunday.
    So Sunday came and met Ruth at the door and got a nice welcome, I came in and sat down and didn’t get a hello from anyone. Ruth came to the front and another lady went as well and started the meeting. I was thinking to myself, this is a brethren meeting but why is there women up there? Out of 30 people half were men and was thinking emmm this is like having a bath with my socks on, it didn’t feel right.
    I deeply prayed to myself, “Lord if this is right let it work but do speak to me through your word, I so need to feel you again” So the meeting went on, the Hymns were ones I’ve never read of before the book was called HYMNS OLD & NEW, but I don’t know a lot of Hymns from a Psalm singing background. The meeting was good the Ladies gave a message on Proverbs 6 about the ants and I was blessed by it.
    So yesterday I was searching on google to find more of the women leading this meeting and came across the names on a http://www.tellingthetruth.info/home/index.php website and read that they don’t believe in the Trinity and the more I read it came more to me it’s a sect.
    So have you come across them? Let me know…

    • Anonymous

      COONEYITES–
      The TWO BY TWO’S-
      The Nameless sect–etc.
      Who are they and what do they believe ?
      When I was still a Jehovah’s Witness, before becoming a
      Christian, we used to run into what we considered “funny people” at the door.
      They told us they were the only true Christians on the face of the earth.
      Usually they had just returned from an “assembly” or a “home meeting”. They
      informed us that they were doing a far greater work than we, and we were
      definitely in error. However, they would never enter into a prolonged discussion
      about why they felt they were right and we were wrong. They never argued with
      us, always refused to take our literature, and most gave off an air of “humble
      superiority”. I personally found it quite maddening at the time that they would
      not tell us their name, but merely smiled smugly when we asked.
      The years went by and I came to a saving knowledge of the true
      Jesus Christ and voluntarily left the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
      However, I never lost my curiosity about this strange,
      nameless, group. Time went by and we entered a full-time ministry to the cults.
      Now I had the opportunity to speak with these people, both inside and outside of
      his group, as well as to attend one of their public meetings. The women were
      dressed most severely with long hair in a bun, and the meeting was the most
      joyless I can remember. The singing was lackluster and the sermon dull. When we
      attempted to linger and ask meaningful questions we were quickly escorted out.
      We were even told we were not “sheep”, or we would have recognized the
      truthfulness of the group.
      It took many years to assemble enough material about this
      closed group to write a factual tract, but at this time, we can report the
      following
      NO NAME — BUT MANY NAMES
      These names identify the group The Nameless House Sect, the
      COONEYITES, The Two-By-Twos, The Way, The Pilgrims, the Tramps, The New
      Testament Church, The Non-Denominational Church of America, The Go-Preachers,
      The Irvinites, The No Secters, the Faith Missioners, The Dippers, The Jesus Way,
      The Christian Church of Australia, (or America, etc.), Christian Convention
      Church, The Damnation Army, The Carrollites, The Secret Sect, The Truth, Die
      Namenlosen, Les Anonymes, Reidites, and Faith Missioners. There are probably
      others, but any of these names identify these people.
      EARLY HISTORY OF THE GROUP
      The group was founded by William Irvine, a Scottish lay
      evangelist in the early 1900’s. He was fascinated by Matthew, chapter ten, and
      developed a band of followers who would go out preaching his viewpoints in
      abject poverty, having only one set of clothes, no money etc., believing they
      alone were fulfilling the true pattern of the original apostles, and forming the
      only true church on the face of the earth. As his followers grew in numbers, a
      system of powerful overseers over local groups came into being, and Irvine
      became a traveling leader speaking to scattered conventions. He also became more
      and more strange in his doctrines, partly due to the influence of the early
      Adventists. At one point he believed he was one of the two witnesses referred to
      in Revelation chapter three.
      The overseers became alarmed and formed a coalition to stifle
      him, while hiding the facts from the followers. The movement was thrown into
      turmoil as Irvine wrote letters and solicited funds to support himself, and
      indeed, ended up living out his days in Israel in great comfort and died leaving
      a large estate. Cooney, Carroll, and others sized control until Cooney himself
      ended up disfellowshipped, along with many others. This accounted for the
      various names down through the years applied to the group, depending on its
      loyalties. Nevertheless it survived and continues down to this day.
      SURVIVAL BY THE TWO-CLASS SYSTEM
      Since no group can survive for long in abject poverty, someone
      has to supply money to continue. So, in this group, we find one segment
      functioning normally in society, working, earning money, and owning real estate.
      The other segment consists of the itinerant preachers who are supported by the
      first group. Since no records are kept of financial assistance, we have had
      reports of the elite, itinerant class, those in “the work”, having
      embarrassingly large amounts of cash on their persons, when they should be in
      poverty! Over all we find the powerful local overseers who have unquestioned
      authority over their area.
      Meetings are held in local homes and larger conventions usually
      on the farms of the believers. No publicity is sought for any of their
      activities, indeed they are most secretive to all outsiders and none are welcome
      to their gatherings, except by direct invitation by a member, after obtaining
      permission from an elder.
      DOCTRINES AND DENIALS
      Due to the nature of the group, that is, isolation and control
      by local overseers, not all groups may believe exactly alike, except on the
      major points. All do believe that they are the only true church in existence,
      that access to Jesus Christ is only through their unpaid, itinerant preachers,
      and the only proper meeting place is in a home. They believe, they alone have
      the truth, so we need to examine their doctrines.
      Although it is difficult to obtain printed material from a
      group that won’t release any, still, over the years certain doctrinal points
      have been discussed with those who were once associated, and, to the best of our
      current knowledge they deny these doctrines.
      THE “GOSPEL” OF DENIAL
      First and foremost, the doctrine of the Trinity, the viewpoint
      of the person of Almighty God shared by all legitimate churches down through the
      ages, is denied by this group. The Trinity teaches that the one God of the Bible
      has presented Himself in three Persons, The Father, The Son, and the Holy
      Spirit. The three are the one God. The truthfulness of this doctrine from the
      Bible is discussed in our publication “Is The Trinity True?”, and as space does
      not allow for a discussion here, we invite the reader to order a
      copy.
      THE TWO BY TWO’S AND JESUS
      The Two-by-Two’s doctrine on Jesus Christ seems to be vague as
      to His identity, but it is possible they deny that Jesus is God. However, the
      Father calls Jesus “God” (Hebrews 1:8). The Disciples called Jesus “God” (John
      20:28) and prophecy calls Jesus “God” (Matthew 12:3).
      The denial of Jesus’ Deity began with Arius in the third
      century, and we find his views followed by such cult groups as the Jehovah’s
      Witnesses, Christadelphians, early Adventists and other groups that sprang up in
      the same general time period as the COONEYITES. Jesus Christ is nothing less
      than Almighty God manifest in the flesh, and any group teaching anything less
      than this falls into the category of a cult.
      The Holy Spirit is apparently reduced by this group to merely
      an “active force”, again a heresy common to groups of that time, notably the
      Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and others. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit is a
      Person. Salvation in this group is not by grace alone as the Bible teaches, but
      by an involved pattern of works, self-denial, and obedience to the overseers.
      How different from Ephesians 2:8,9, which says,
      “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not
      of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works that no one
      should boast.”
      Of course Christians do good works, but they are the result of
      salvation, not a condition for it.
      EXTREME LEGALISM IN MOST AREAS
      Having talked at length with persons who have been in this
      group and have drifted away, or have been disfellowshipped for some minor
      offense, a pattern of extreme legalism emerges.
      First off, there can be no questioning of the doctrine which is
      in place. Honest Bible questions are not welcome (as in most cults) and are
      viewed as disobedience.
      Strict dress codes and hairstyles prevail, and failure to
      conform can result in disfellowshipping for disobedience. Unfortunately for
      present followers, dress codes were set in Victorian times and have hardly
      changed at all!
      Followers are discouraged from delving too deeply into their
      early history, especially since it would involve finding out about the delusions
      of grandeur held by their originator, and the tactics used by other powerful
      overseers to get their own way and control the beliefs and finances of the
      organization.
      The Bible and its interpretation is believed to be solely the
      right of this nameless group, yet no scholarship is used for reference in Bible
      study.
      Baptism by immersion is considered valid only if done by this
      group, and only if the elders give permission.
      IN CONCLUSION
      This group is definitely a cult. This is borne out by their
      refusal to extend salvation to anyone trusting in Jesus Christ, but not their
      organization. Their rigid control of the lives of their members is further
      proof. Also their insistence on only their interpretation of the Bible marks
      them as a cult. In their ranks we find many honest-hearted people who truly love
      God and do their best to serve Him. We hope to reach out in love to those
      trapped in this group, with the freedom found in Jesus Christ. Write to us if we
      can help you.
      For more help on this topic check
      out the
      2×2 Ministries from our
      LINK page.
      http://www.thefriendsandworkerscult.com/index.html

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